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August 10th 2008 23:53
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Comment by Cibbuano

August 11th 2008 02:18
good for you, Joanne. Thanks for sticking up for someone else.

I have two friends, in two different countries, that have been witness to someone saying something derogatory about another ethnic group. Both times, both friends claimed that their 'silence suggested that they disagreed', and I expressed my disappointment.


Comment by Joanne Fedler

August 11th 2008 02:28
Ah Cib, the great 'silence is dissent' defence - isn't that 'silence is consent'?

This statement by Pastor Niemoeller (who was a victim of the Nazi's) affected me in my youth and I've never felt scared to speak up and make others uncomfortable about their prejudice - (that's a bourgeois cop-out):

'First they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out -
because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the communists
and I did not speak out -
because I was not a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out -
because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for me -
and there was no-one left to speak out for me.'

Comment by Anonymous

August 12th 2008 00:27
Well said Jo.

I hate the assumption by white SA ex-pats that all white SA ex-pats think the same way as them.


Comment by Jayne Kearney

August 12th 2008 00:51
Hi Jo,
If your friend felt that she had the right to send this email to a bunch of people then why did she think you didn't have the right to send yours to the same bunch of people? And what was her point in sending it in the first place?

Well done for speaking up. So often the flow of information gets torrential and I suspect this stuff slips past a lot of us - flotsam and jetsam in the overload. Thanks for reminding us to, not only watch out for, but also to protest against discrimination and mindless intolerance - especially when disseminated as background noise. I fear that's when it is harder to notice and maybe therefore easier to get in.

Comment by Cibbuano

August 13th 2008 02:59
joanne, great quote.

A frightening, terrifying quote, actually. That's a selfish, yet utterly compelling reason to speak up for people - speak up for them so that they will speak up for you, too.


Comment by Joanne Fedler

August 13th 2008 03:07
I didn't think of it like that, Cib, but I guess it could be read that way. The way I read it , is that everyone's oppression is interlinked. That if we don't speak out against oppression of any kind, it is only a matter of time before it affects us. I kind of read it more as a 'we're all in this together' appeal. That self-interest is a temporary luxury, and discrimination doesn't discriminate.

Jo

Comment by Mrs M

August 21st 2008 13:23
Hi Jo,

I agree, that is a fantastic quote....and like Cib said, scary.

As much as we should be compelled to speak out, it's a very daunting task so well done on your reply all email.

But we shouldn't shy away from calling an injustice an injustice just because it brings attention to ourselves and pretty much put ourselves up for criticism. That's what I get out of the quote.

For what it's worth, I can't stand chain emails. Even the 'lovely' ones.

Love & stuff
Mrs M

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